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Seraph IX Basarab
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Posted - 2013.02.26 01:26:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
What has CCP's approach been when there's an issue like this? Do they change it to make things safer for a larger portion of the playerbase than it makes things less safe for? No, they don't. If CCP were to implement a change that required fuel or cap use for an active cloak so more nullbears could feel safe, that would go against their usual stance/mindset.
So it is okay for it to be totally and 100% safe for the camper? Because that is what you just said. Where is the risk/reward system here? The camper can be rewarded with a dropped industry level for absolutely no risk.
Wait how does the AFK cloaker take your industry level away? |
Seraph IX Basarab
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Posted - 2013.02.27 04:44:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Wait how does the AFK cloaker take your industry level away? i dunno....  have you ever heard about industry levels?
Yeah I have. What mechanic exactly drops the industry level if there is an afk guy in system? If he's afk he can't harm you. So the issue is with you guys that are afraid of getting attacked rather than the attack itself.
Take local away if cloaked. Problem solved. Anyone have a problem with that? |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:18:00 -
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Rio Bravo wrote:It's not when they are AFK that they are a threat, anyone gets that. It's that you never know. The other day one of us lost a BS to one of the AFK cloakers in the network they have spread in every system (so moving is little option). He hotdropped a fleet of nine in (suddenly became unAFK), killed the BS, then the fleet cyno'd out. No Risk...and the sleeper went back to being AFK cloaked and waiting (back to AFK after a brief activity). Once again, in EVE as long as it works for you it's OK...when you are the victim, it's not OK. If you lose your ship it's your own fault, blah, blah...But it gets rather WoWesque when you can take portals to any place you want and warp friends to any place you are with no borders to defend with...think WoW removed alot of the portals come to think of it... And it's NOT a cloak nerf OPERATIONALLY! A half hour cycle time and fuel consumption, would nerf cloak operational MANAGEMENT! Wouldn't change how it worked tactically at all, just strategically. So address the issue in your comments...cloaking is fine, its the abuse of alts spread acrossed two dozen systems, cloak impunity, and being AFK for long peroids of time to disrupt others on a regional scale. You can still do this with cycle/fuel, but it would suddenly have an operating cost and supply demand! That is the issue, no risk/no cost is wrong! ...and no I am not mad bro! 
There is no abuse or issue. Have you ever even managed a cloaky operation or is your pvp experience limited to approach FC, target primary, hit F1? Do you know how much preparation goes into such an operation that you just described? You're flying paper thin frigates in enemy territory without the logistical advantages that the home team gets.
There ARE ways to deal with cloaky ops in your system. You just haven't figured them out yet. |
Seraph IX Basarab
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:28:00 -
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Who cares learn to play the game?
(No Seraph, bad, don't be mean to them. You'll only entrench them in their one track mentality and grotesque tactical simplicity.)
Ahem. What I meant to say is that the issue here is local. It's crazy to think that some chatroom should act as a tactical and strategic factor when it comes to this game. If you are cloaked, you should be removed from local, OR local should work the same as in w-space. This way people can be afk and cloaked but not inspire any fear in the people in system.
Seriously people, lay down traps and bait out your targets. I can't believe the show of incompetence. |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:36:00 -
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Exactly. Also they deserved it for god awful bomber fits. |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:57:00 -
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Getting rid of local would be a big improvement. |
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:58:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Getting rid of local would be a big improvement. Excellent point, and that GÇÿimprovementGÇÖ can be realised without CCP having to do anything to change nullsec dynamics. There are already approximately 2,500 solar systems where this is currently the setup. They start at J100001 and work their way up to J235953, and collectively they represent a wonderful and challenging niche of the eve cosmos. In J123456 you can have a thousand afk cloaky folk and never be any the wiser, unless they return to their keyboard, become active, and decloak to do something. I approve of this message. I don't know why all the people who want to take themselves out of local don't just hunt in wormholes. There are plenty of them, not hard to find. Oh wait, then you can't just jump all your buddies on some unsuspecting guy who is trying to make some iskies. They would have to leave the safety of their sov system to go out into the unknown and some baddies might be waiting on them :(.
I personally dont even like hot dropping. With the exception of the HK, you have everyone else sitting waiting to bridge and that sucks. Also I don't mind local existing. But if people whine and whine about afk cloaking, then remove local so they cant instill that fear in you that makes you dock up. |
Seraph IX Basarab
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Posted - 2013.03.05 01:40:00 -
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Togenshi wrote:To be fair, I don't mind the idea of afk cloaky if there was a mechanic to counter them outside the time they light a covert cyno up.
Providence has been perma-camped for the last 3-4 months now by THORN's afk botting team, MagicAcid and Replicator (and co.). At this moment, there are 60+ characters just being made to mine ice with retrievers who are in NPC corps (Replicator Peta31-80). These guys fund Replicator0001-42 who stay afk cloaked with probes and covert-cyno ready to pounce idiots that decide to take the risk.
Killing replicator is only a small loss and returns with another covert ops ships to continue camping the system. We can't kill it in the meantime and we don't have the numbers to combat a much larger alliance such as THORN.
The issue is the inability to hunt afk cloakies where they log in just after dt and sit there till the next dt in a concentrated and limited area such Providence.
But lets face reality, CCP wouldn't lift a finger unless goons cry foul.
Maybe you should ask Severence to help you out. They bring a fairly numerous sized frig fleet to deal with cov ops. |
Seraph IX Basarab
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Posted - 2013.03.06 07:48:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Eve's most infamous cloaky-camping botter finally came out to fight the other day, so we tore him a new ass. Au Revoir Replicator
Bring enough guys? |
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